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Ukrainian musician Ivan Dorn gave an interview to a Russian sports journalist and video blogger named Yuri Dud. This is a lively conversation with jokes and obscenities, during which the artist relaxed so much that he suddenly began to talk about topics far from music and career.

It turned out that he had some kind of abstract ATO in his head, which he did not help with money, contrary to what was reported in the press. In 2014, at the height of the military conflict with Russia, he took to the stage " New wave" in a T-shirt with a trident, so that there is no stink, as with the Ukrainian contestant who wore the Russian tricolor. And at a hypothetical meeting with Putin, he will ask him not about Russian tanks in the Donbass, but about what it is like to be a Libra zodiac sign.

Does he have the right to think and act like this? Yes, sure. Can an artist who cares about the audience in his country say this out loud? Oh god, no. But for this you need to have brains.

Now there will be a huge scandal around his words - and in a sense, we ourselves are to blame for this, because we always overestimate the level of mental abilities of those who sing with their mouths.

It should be noted that Ivan Dorn is the most creative and free musician of the Ukrainian pop scene, the patron of young progressive talents and our great hope. Late last year, he said he was moving to America to try his hand at the West. What Dorn doesn’t understand is that nothing will happen to him until he has a toothy publicist, a press agent - a separate highly paid professional, without whose approval not a single Western star will take a step.

The publicist will cut out any inconvenient quote from the interview - during my work as a journalist and editor, I saw them all.

According to legend, which can neither be confirmed nor refuted by documents, Leo DiCaprio is very concerned about the condition environment continue to develop with the sole purpose of diverting public attention from the fact that every week he fucks a new Victoria's Secret model. During a telephone conversation with Dustin Hoffman, his agent will always hang on a parallel line and interfere in the interview in that the very second the movie legend departs from his usual script and starts talking about boobs. And even Tilda Swinton’s publicist will not allow him to reprint the text, which even slightly mocks her status as a goddess and patroness of the arts.

Don't get me wrong, this is not a question of honesty. You simply don’t want to know what these people think about politics and the structure of the world in general - just as you are not interested in the taxi driver’s opinion on the same topics. The fact is that any singer, actor or artist is the same as a taxi driver: in the time limited by the duration of a concert, film or exhibition, he transports you from point A to point B, and you need the journey to be pleasant at the end you are a little happier than you were at the beginning.

Artists live in their own parallel world of donated clothes and advertising contracts. They use the ridiculous terms “my creativity” and “the love of the audience.” They can be dumber and smarter, but in general the chances that a person with impeccable musical taste, who moves well on stage, will turn out to be an outstanding thinker are negligible. Smart and beautiful are still different people.

Every time we are upset that our idol has no brains, we are only admitting to our incompetence.

But for Ivan Dorn there is only one piece of advice - you should be shy.

Singer Ivan Dorn was a public favorite just yesterday, but today he woke up in a new world - now he is in disgrace for many Ukrainians. What happened and how did the star end up at the center of the scandal? Let's figure it out together!

Yesterday, April 11, a long hour-long interview with Ivan Dorn appeared on YouTube. The singer spoke with a Russian sports journalist on his YouTube channel “vDud”. Yuri Dud asked the celebrity a lot during the interview frank questions, the main topic of the interview was new clip and Dorn's new album.

READ ALSO: Singer Ivan Dorn announced that he is moving to America

During the interview, Ivan also answered many “uncomfortable” questions - about money, personal life and politics. It was the latter that caused the scandal on the Internet. Users drew attention to the obvious contradictions in the singer’s words.

Among other things, Dorn called the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine a “quarrel”, Ukrainians - “younger brothers” of Russia, and said that he never intentionally helped volunteers in the ATO - on the contrary, he was indignant when the funds allocated to them were used to purchase optical sights.

“Money was given to the victims in Mariupol when the shelling occurred... but one of the volunteers decided to use the money differently and bought optical sights - and publicly thanked me for it... I said: Listen, let’s do something somehow, otherwise It’s an uncomfortable situation—too much stink has gathered about this,” Dorn said.

Watch the scandalous interview with Ivan Dorn on liza.ua

source: vDud

The singer also recalled his performances in support of Yanukovych. According to the artist, he “didn’t care what flags were hanging there. If it’s so easy to sing and earn money, no problem.”

But most of all, Ukrainian users were outraged by Dorn’s words about his performance in Jurmala at the “New Wave” in 2014. Then the singer performed a cover of Kuzma Scriabin’s song from the stage and appeared before the audience in a T-shirt with a trident.

“To carry culture...I thought: I need to go out with a trident. So that no one stinks about the suit,” the celebrity shares.

The interview was supplemented by clips from several of Dorn's concerts, among others, from his performance in Moscow, where the singer told the audience:

“They say that the problems...the problems are in their heads! Let them choke on their problems. And there is nothing between us except friendship!”

Dorn replied to tricky questions presenter about his concert tours in Russia.

“Politicians don’t really like this - the very fact that I speak in Russia is outrageous, and for those who are ardent Russophobes - and the rest of the people - frankly speaking, they don’t give a damn, it seems to me that I’m saying - My music is more important to them,” the singer said.

And it seems he was wrong, because this time his statements, far from music, outraged thousands of users. Now in the Ukrainian segment of the Internet there are growing calls to boycott Dorn’s concert activities, and hundreds of angry and funny comments about what happened have already been collected on Twitter.

Dorn gave an amusing interview in white slippers.

— Roman Matys (@roman_matys) April 12, 2017

Dorn is broken. Carry the next one.

— Vasya (@KoloradskayaTla) April 12, 2017

@rechnikato @jamesnews4 To give something like that about a Russian interview in the spring of 17, when the Kremlin is being drowned by the whole world, you have to be very gifted. I hope everything is fine in Ukraine.

Let's start the conversation with latest news. There is a video shot in Africa, and a film about your trip there is about to be released. First of all, why did you need to go so far?

It all started like this: I was driving along the Vyshgorod dam, and Bicholla Tetradze sent me an audio message of the following nature: “Dude, I just saw your video for “Africa.” I know how to remove it!” It turned out that he was watching the Instagram channel @masakakidsafricana, and at this time the track “Afrika” was playing. And he sees how they coincide! Then Bicholla mounted "Africa" ​​and dance moves from Instagram - and sent it to me. I was like: yeah, I got it! I realized that this was a great idea. What do you need to go and shoot? And not just somewhere in Africa, but specifically to these children.

The premiere of the film "Power of Africa" ​​took place last night on the Complex website

- Is it difficult to get there? What is the route anyway?

I flew to Dubai, where we met with the rest of the team. Then we flew together to Entebbe, an airport in Uganda. A local producer named Bill was waiting for us there. He immediately said: “Guys, let’s go to the pharmacy and buy pills just in case!” Because most people in Uganda die from malaria. Plus this is a country with very big amount HIV-infected people.

From Entebbe we went to Masaka - in fact, to the region where the children are. On the way we crossed the equator. We arrived at big big village. Nose good roads- they were built by the Chinese.

Guys, let's go to the pharmacy and buy some pills just in case!

We woke up in the morning bitten by mosquitoes. And they were terribly worried. We were told that 30% of all mosquitoes are malaria mosquitoes. Before we went there, we had, I think, seven vaccinations. But malaria vaccinations are not given. You just take pills if you feel bad.

Bill also said that there are witches in Uganda, and there are especially many of them in the Masaka region. They are running around with backpacks, some kind of fire is burning in the backpacks. They run very fast because they are fueled with some kind of powder - associations of some kind of cocaine are immediately drawn. Bill said that witches bewitch men and force them to work on their plots of land. In general, right from the first day we were bombarded with this kind of mystical information.

- How do the children from this dance group live?

This is a huge family of two dash parents artistic directors who gather children around them and teach them to dance. Children are either from poor families who cannot provide for them on their own, or without parents. My husband's name is Hasan. His wife cooks all the time. And all the time the same food: a small cornmeal bun and beans. Basically, it's delicious. For one time. And when you sit down with them for the second time, the beans are already a little boring. And the third time you somehow don’t want to eat them. Therefore, the gastronomic holiday began when we arrived and brought lunchboxes from the hotel.

We started training. They just train in the yard. I showed my movements, they showed theirs, so that it was truly a joint dance, and not just children dancing in a video. They all dance very cool individually. But when we started putting together some fundamentally important synchronizations, they turned out to be completely out of sync. I had to work for a very long time to make everything beautiful and synchronized.

- What language did you speak?

In English. But such African English.

And this is what the “Afrika” video actually looks like, the filming of which required a trip to Uganda

- What else was strange there?

It's strange that they treat the earth like a big garbage chute. They drink Fanta or chew gum and simply throw it on the ground. We come to photograph some beautiful view and - damn it, guys! So beautiful, stop littering! At the same time, Uganda is one of the most developing African countries. As the locals told us, poor Uganda is being shown by some European donors or guys who make documentaries. In order to simply raise more money for this. In Uganda they say: “We are not so poor, we are developing.”

- What will the donations you make be used for?

I'll tell you how it turned out. On the first day, we went with the children to get water. We reached a large deep puddle, which most likely forms after rain. They filled water into gasoline cans. Nearby there was an area where they grow some kind of vegetation. And they said: we grow vegetation here, but we are planning to build a school here soon. So that we can all study, dance, and train together here. And they, apparently, have already launched some kind of crowdfunding campaign, but not very successfully. And when I was talking to them, standing in this place, a thought appeared - what if? They are raising funds for dance school. They have a plan, they have a project ready, they need 30 thousand dollars for construction.

I want to help these children. They are very loving and warm. It was clear that for them we were long-awaited newcomers. Who came, roughly speaking, to turn their lives in a more positive direction. We wanted it to truly be a fusion of cultures. And so that it is realized in dance. We were worried that in the video I was the only white person in the frame. And on this basis they can pick something up: he went, he used the children. Therefore, the documentary will show what the relationship really was. What mutual understanding there was, what enthusiasm and how much fun we had.

- What is happening in your work now?

There are a lot of plans. Now we have made a collaboration with an American DJ, widely known in narrow circles.

Not. Not with . We met with him at the studio of , who was also there, and we had a great rap! These guys are so cool - [damn it]! I felt in seventh heaven with happiness. You know, get together and just chat about... Well, their musical philosophy. Listen, delve into, talk about your own, share your joys and sorrows.

- And the first DJ, who was discussed at first, is...

This is another DJ, I don’t want to disclose his name yet. So without expectations, you know. I flew there and made four tracks with him. We will present it this summer. And then there will be a hip-hop album. We start working on it in mid-May. Finally! That's it, we sit down to write it. There’s a little bit left - we’re bringing furniture [to new studio]. We will sit in the “Workshop” and take her virginity - in a creative sense.

We have festivals in the summer. At the same time, a tour of Europe took place. Small - Poland, Germany, Holland. We will touch the foreign audience through OTD. I'm preparing one single for the summer. Cover. I won’t say which group. But she is respected and loved by everyone. In Russian.

Dorn traveled to Europe, of course, with the English-language OTD program. And it’s also on YouTube - a recording of last year’s concert in Moscow was released on Ivan’s channel a month ago.

- There are a lot of questions at once. Firstly, a rap album: are you writing it in Kyiv? There was a plan to do this in New York.

No no! This will be an album in Russian.

When you started talking about a rap album a couple of years ago, it seemed very bold: a leading pop star was going into rap. But today everyone reads rap, even Timur Rodriguez. Did you miss the moment?

No. You know, it even makes me happy. Because when we come out with the album, hip-hop in the musical climate will already...

- Will it merge?

First of all, it will be different. Now everyone is moving away - thanks to Mushrooms for this trend. And gradually rap will move into this form. And our hip-hop will be more classic.

It’s even more interesting for me to break into this genre when its current popularity has already passed. It’s clear that we could do this now and be absolutely in the moment. And from a pragmatic point of view, this would be the most correct approach. But this is precisely what we are afraid of.

It's cool to come out with a hip-hop album when hip-hop is already too obvious. When it already starts to be so popular that it’s even repulsive. That's when it gets really interesting! Because then people will pay attention to how hip-hop it really is. How meaningful and contextual it is. And not to what extent it is in the market situation and in the trend.

- Are you satisfied with the current context of hip-hop?

I like deeper artists like, obviously, Kendrick [Lamar]. Of course, this is Oddisee, this is . These are new people like Schoolboy Q, but also Talib Kweli, Mos Def - the old guys that I love very much, that I grew up with. I also avoid places where I don’t see depth, but only see quality.

- So this is the top now: all these young people from Lil Pump to Lil Zan.

I really don't know them. I don't follow these guys at all. Because I get lost in them very easily. For me there is no musical difference in them - they are all like carbon copies. When a movement becomes so widespread, I start to shy away from it. And look for an alternative. Which I find in the names I listed.

The “Collaba” video no longer has 50 percent of dislikes, as Ivan says, but it still has a lot - 44 thousand versus 74 thousand likes

- Do you continue to knock on the doors of American show business?

Moreover, I am already opening the doors a little through publications that agree to publish... And not only do they agree, but, for example, they ask for some kind of material. And at the same time I am focusing on European show business. I want to go to festivals. Therefore, we are now knocking on the push lists of festival agents.

But all this needs to be done slowly, consistently and correctly. And we also took some wrong steps. There were the wrong people we worked with. There were a lot of talkers who say what you want to hear. They say that they know everyone, they will solve everything, just let’s work with them. You work, you expect something. Then they say: “Well, it’s very difficult to predict here, you understand.” Therefore, by trial and error, without knowing anything about the show business there, we are trying to understand how to act in it correctly. And over this year we dug some kind of ditch for ourselves.

I had the feeling that you wrote the first album for the listener, the second - for yourself, and the third - as if somewhere in space.

The motto “Write for yourself” - I, of course, promoted it. And to some extent, I burrowed musically. But when we released the album “OTD”, I knew for sure that I liked this album, that there would be an audience who would understand it. If not immediately, then later.

It’s fun to watch how the perception of this album changes, how it opens up for people and help it open up with the help of additional content, videos, something else. How is that board game, like a strategy, but very long in time. The same thing happened with [the previous album] “Randorn”: not everyone accepted it, but over time the attitude changed. Only faster - because the album itself was probably less contrasting.

I was clearly aware that there would be non-perception. And it is there. 50% dislikes for the “Collaba” video on YouTube. They made fun of me for saying I won a Grammy. In fact, this excites me!

I find the story of the recording of the American album very attractive. artistic sense. But it doesn't describe you as a rational music businessman. Because you lost a lot of money on concerts you didn't finish. You could obviously perform more with Russian material. What do you think about this?

Definitely. But, honestly, I set myself a goal - to add foreign ones to our Russian-speaking audience. This means we need to abandon some plans and strategies in the CIS countries. Just to find time and achieve something there. Essentially, you're starting over. Having, however, experience, a Russian-speaking audience and some kind of self-confidence. But it's still anew. And to do it again requires a lot of time and patience. The “OTD” album, naturally, was more designed for some kind of jump out there, you know? Why, guys, look how I can sing in English. Therefore, I was clearly aware that there would be non-perception. And it is there. 50% dislikes for the “Collaba” video on YouTube. They made fun of me for saying I won a Grammy. In fact, this excites me! This is a serious pain in the ass. Which I set for myself on purpose.

Nowadays in music everyone cares about success. If the artist doesn’t have it, then there is no topic for conversation. One of the signs of the moment is the popularity of the word “coming”. When the music starts, it means everything has happened. If you don’t come in, it doesn’t matter whether it’s high-quality, advanced, or innovative. Are you comfortable living in such a world?

No. Not good. This is a fucking digital industry that information flow breaks the usual musical realities. Perception of music. The music industry as a whole. People don't have time to sit down, close their eyes, listen to music and imagine something. The music works more as a background. Hence all these measurements: it went in - it didn’t go in, it pumps - it doesn’t pump, punch - not punch. Anything that doesn’t catch your attention right away is kind of bad. Listen to it several times, think, find the right atmosphere - there is no time for this. So, of course, I am partly in a risky position. And of course, I am uncomfortable in such a world. But there are no options. Either you keep up with the times, or everyone moves on, and you remain in place. We still have to fight to bring some value to this art. Fight for the thought, for the message, for the context. By any means. Yes, to adapt - but to adapt while standing on some ground. That's what I'm trying to do.

Ivan Dorn's next concert in secret place- ticket buyers will know it directly on the day of the performance.

Ukrainian singer and DJ Ivan Dorn gave an interview to Russian journalist Yuri Dudu, in which he called Ukraine and Russia brothers and denied sponsoring ATO fighters. The musician’s statements caused a strong reaction among fans in his native country and attracted the attention of the local Ministry of Culture.

During the interview, Dorn tried to deny his assistance to the “anti-terrorist operation” in eastern Ukraine. The singer’s money was supposed to go to help victims of the shelling of Mariupol, but one of the volunteers bought optical sights with it.

“One of the volunteers decided to use this money differently - he bought an optical sight - and publicly thanked me for it. I told him: “Let's do something. It was an uncomfortable situation. Delete that post or write how it really happened,” the musician recalled.

Dorn explained the rise of Ukrainian music by the desire of the “younger brothers” to develop independently of the “elder ones”. Going on stage in Jurmala in 2014 wearing a T-shirt with a trident was justified by the desire to “not get into trouble,” promoting culture and protecting oneself from criticism.

“I thought that I should go out with a trident so that no one would make a fuss about the suit,” the singer explained.

The revelations caused a strong reaction from social network users and Ukrainian musicians, who condemned the singer and accused him of corruption. Odessa social activist Gleb Zhavoronkov published selected excerpts from the interview on his Facebook.

The head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Culture, Yevgeny Nishchuk, called his compatriot’s statements unacceptable, recalling that artists have a responsibility to their listeners.

"Artists are not just those who amuse and carry only their talent, and nothing else should worry them. This is wrong. When tens of thousands die in the east of the state best sons It is unacceptable for Ukraine to say that there is a small quarrel going on here,” the official noted.

Ordinary Ukrainians reacted to Dorn's words in stronger terms, preferring to “bury” his career.

Dorn is broken. Carry the next one.
- Vasya (@KoloradskayaTla) April 12, 2017

Once upon a time there was Vanya Dorn
Which pleasantly surprised me in Jurmala
But it turns out it was
We didn't stink.
This is some shit from Chelyabinsk... https://t.co/GgrZ3iEXvz
- Icecoin Getman (@YevhenS) April 12, 2017

It’s a pity that Ivan had little time for the interview. We could also talk about the fascists, torchlight processions, and armed coup.
- Uncle Sasha (@ddya_sasha)

Ukrainian singer Ivan Dorn, who recently gave an interview to Russian blogger Yuri Duda, outraged Ukrainians with his talk about brotherhood with Russia.

In addition to the singer’s conversations with the blogger about his work and personal life, Yuri Dud tried to ask as many provocative questions as possible in the context of the Ukraine-Russia conflict.

It all started when Dorn was asked what was causing such a dramatic rise in Ukrainian music. Dorn argued this as a quarrel between “two brothers.”

The Russian blogger also asked about the reaction of Ukrainians to the tour of Russia in 2016. Dorn responded that there were two festivals he had decided to attend and that such festivals were completely "harmless".

Yuri Dud recalled the fact that when other countries remember Ivan Dorn, he is remembered as the person who sponsors the ATO. To which the singer responded quite categorically.

“Money was given to the victims in Mariupol when the shelling broke out, and the volunteer who managed my money publicly thanked me for this online. There was too much stink about this, and I told him to delete that post. I don’t help volunteers related to the ATO,” the singer replied.

The young performer also commented on the situation with one of his concerts in Moscow, when from the stage, together with the Russian public, he said hello to Kyiv and said that there is no enmity between the countries.

Politicians don’t really like this, because the very fact that I speak in Russia is outrageous. And for those who are ardent Russophobes, they also don’t like my position. Other people, to be honest, don’t give a damn, it seems to me. My music is more important to them
– Dorn added.

What surprised the Russian blogger was that Dorn’s concerts after his Russian tour were blocked in Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil, but not in Lvov.

In a scandalous interview, the blogger also recalled an incident from a concert in Jurmala in 2014, when Dorn went on stage to perform “Penguin Dance” in a sweatshirt with a Ukrainian trident. The singer commented on this situation by saying that at that time he was collaborating with Russian producer Igor Krutoy and did not want to let him down with his performance.

Cool allowed me to do the performance the way I wanted. And when the question of clothes arose, a stink arose about the fact that our participant from Ukraine was still wearing the tricolor, questions arose about why she was going to Jurmala, why she was adapting to the Russians, etc. That’s why I thought to go with a Ukrainian song, to carry Ukrainian culture in this case, and that I need to go out with a trident so that no one “stinks” about the costume,” said the performer.

Ivan Dorn admitted that he was worried about his bold performance because he was afraid of quarreling with Igor Krutoy.

In response to Yuri's final questions, Dorn joked with phrases from the latest popular song in the CIS. Ukrainian group"Mushrooms" "The ice is melting." Dorn said that Ukraine and Russia will soon make peace, because the thaw has already begun.

And the question that Ivan would like to ask Vladimir Putin is:

“Listen, do you also have some kind of uncertainty in Libra (zodiac sign) all the time? Constantly depending on the opinions of others, when everyone says that everything is good, it means that everything is good, and when everything is bad, then everything is bad. This is typical just me or all Libra?” – Ivan answered.

Dorn also casually mentioned in the interview that as part of the group “Pair of Normals” he performed at propaganda concerts of the “Party of Regions”.

And when asked about Jamala’s victory at Eurovision in 2016 with her song, the singer emphasized that first of all, the song should win, not politics.

“From a musical point of view, I really liked it. But it’s not politics that should win, despite the “sorrowful” history, but music should win. We played as if for some kind of pity, but the music is really cool,” Dorn noted.