Lawyer Gleb Glinka, the husband of Doctor Lisa who tragically died in the plane crash, recently became the hero of the “Alone with Everyone” program. Journalist Ksenia Sokolova, who headed the Fair Aid Foundation after the death of the human rights activist, appeared with the man from the broadcast studio. On the TV show, Elizaveta Glinka’s loved ones shared their memories of her.

“She couldn't be stopped. I thought a lot about it and tried to understand in hindsight whether there was something I could have done to keep her out... I tried all the methods of influence, but it was her path, and she went through it,” Sokolova said.

According to the Doctor's friend Lisa, she could not come to terms with the cruelty of the world around her and believed that love could conquer everything. “I would like as many people as possible to know about it. If more such people came into the world, then everything would be fine with us, and we would be able to overcome the shortage of resources. I am convinced that a person should be like this,” Sokolova shared.

The host of the program, Yulia Menshova, asked Gleb Glinka to add something to the answer of her friend Elizabeth. The man could not contain his emotions. Tears welled up in his eyes.

“I’m still waiting for her to return,” said Gleb Glinka.

The program also aired an interview with Natalya Avilova, a member of the board of the Doctor Lisa Foundation. Her first meeting with a public figure took place in 2009. “I had a pretty good career then, I worked in the Federation Council, and that’s where we met Elizaveta Petrovna. Having met her in the evening, at 5:30 in the morning she called me and said: “Natasha, there is a homeless man lying at the door of my house. The ambulance does not take him to the hospital. Natasha, do something." And I fell in love with her, it was love at first sight. This was my man,” Avilova recalled.

Those close to Elizaveta Glinka note that she knew how to be tough, but never went too far. “She couldn't hate people. She hated death,” noted the human rights activist’s husband. Ksenia Sokolova agreed with his point of view.

“She was a person so compassionate that she did not understand the lack of compassion in God... She also hated war, because it was not just God, but people who, from her point of view, should have taken care of each other and made their already difficult stay bearable in this world. And these were her enemies - death and war. She really was a little Don Quixote. She walked and tried to defeat these things that were not built into her concept,” the woman said.

Yulia Menshova’s project “Alone with Everyone” is an “intimate” conversation on the most intimate topics that, as a rule, celebrities prefer to avoid. It is not so much the information that is of interest as the feelings. Of course, the degree of openness will depend on the interlocutor. But many guests of the program know the presenter personally, and this helps make the conversation comfortable for the interlocutor and talk about topics that they usually prefer to remain silent about. Often, journalists ask standard questions, and the essence of the person escapes. Therefore, the main task is to capture this essence, and it, according to the presenter and author of the project, lies precisely in feelings, and not in words.

Alone with everyone - Gleb Glinka and Ksenia Sokolova part 2 from May 26, 2017

She extended a helping hand to everyone who needed it, took out the sick, wounded and children from shelling and bombing, and saved hundreds of lives. And almost six months ago she passed away. In the studio are the husband of Doctor Lisa, doctor and human rights activist, head of the International public organization “Fair Aid” Gleb Glinka and the successor of her work Ksenia Sokolova.

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The former president of the “Fair Aid of Doctor Lisa” foundation and journalist Ksenia Sokolova told Zoya Svetova how they tried to destroy her reputation, force her to resign as president, about the raider takeover of the foundation, and who is interested in initiating a criminal case against her.

August 6, agency "Moscow" reported , that the Investigative Committee opened a criminal case for abuse of power in the Fair Aid charity foundation, created by Elizaveta Glinka. Glinka died in December 2016 in the crash of a Ministry of Defense plane flying to Syria on a humanitarian mission. After her death, the foundation was headed by the famous journalist Ksenia Sokolova, a close friend of Glinka.

“Lisa’s employees and associates were completely confused”

- When were you offered to head the Fair Aid Foundation?

Literally a few days after Lisa’s death, her husband Gleb and her employees contacted me. They asked me to save the foundation and lead it. I officially became the president of the foundation on February 14, 2017 and remained so until June 29, 2018, when I was removed at the general meeting of the organization. Lisa's death was an extraordinary event for me. If we were talking about anyone other than her, I certainly would not have signed up for such an offer. My friendship with Lisa was very personal and special. Lisa was of great importance to me, and when the conflict around her occurred in 2014, I supported her and because of this I quarreled with a number of my influential acquaintances. Lisa was not only a friend, but in a sense even my “Doctor Lisa,” and after her death I thought that since the circumstances were like this and her close people asked me to save the foundation, I would do it for Lisa. Her light fell on these people in my eyes.

- What were your responsibilities as president?

My presidency should be divided into three parts.The first is real crisis management, that is, simply saving the fund. The second was the development of a new strategy for the foundation, and the third was its implementation; we planned to turn Dr. Lisa’s small foundation into one of the largest charitable foundations in Russia.

- Why was it necessary to save the fund?

Lisa’s employees and associates were completely confused and could not develop any coherent program on how this fund would exist, who would head it, and I, as a well-known media person, was very happy with them in this sense. I was going to be a media person, planning to solve PR problems and engage in fundraising. But it immediately became clear that the fund was an absolute mess with papers; it was not even clear how to appoint me president, because the procedure itself was not clear. It became obvious that a lawyer was needed to handle the enormous paperwork. And then I invited lawyer Anna Agranovich. Anna did an excellent job with her task.

- How did it happen that you were expelled from the foundation?

Everything was fine, probably until last summer. Everything worked, we did not close any of the projects and programs that worked under Lisa, we put the papers in order and I slowly began to formulate a new strategy. But unexpectedly I had a conflict with a fund employee, Natalya Avilova. At that time, she was one of three members of the board - we ourselves elected her there, she led the Donetsk project, flew to Donetsk on Emergency Situations Ministry planes and brought sick and wounded children from there. Natalia wrote me a letter. She said that she was actually Lisa’s personal PR person, “made her reputation” and offered to “make her reputation” for me. I answered quite harshly that I did not need services of this kind. This happened last summer, in July, and then, somewhere in September, Igor Komissarov, Major General of the Investigative Committee, Bastrykin’s senior assistant, appeared on the scene.

Igor Komisarov. Photo: Valery Sharifulin / TASS

“We have completely different views on charity”

- Is he the one who ordered your persecution?

I have every reason to believe that this is the case.

- What is his interest?

He and I have completely different views on charity. For example, he believes that a philanthropist should not receive money for his activities. I believe that I can and should, and it is necessary to pay people normal money, because this is work. Apparently, General Komissarov considers me his worst ideological enemy. He and I met at Lisa’s wake, and at first we worked quite fruitfully and everything was fine.

- What kind of connection did the general of the Investigative Committee have with the Lisa Glinka Foundation?

In 2014, when Lisa was a member of the Human Rights Council, the president signed Resolution No. 1134, thanks to which her personal project for the removal of sick and wounded children from Donetsk actually became a state project. Several departments were involved in this project: the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, and including the Investigative Committee. The general said that in some critical situations Lisa simply called him and he resolved the issues. He respected her very much, she perfectly matched his idea of ​​what a philanthropist should be, and after her death he decided to continue helping the foundation. At first I perceived him as a very friendly person, and shared my plans with him.

- Which ones?

When I began to develop a new strategy for the foundation, I had the idea to create a children's center named after Elizaveta Petrovna Glinka in Moscow.The Fair Aid Foundation has a House of Mercy, which is located on the territory of the former 11th city hospital on Novaya Basmannaya Street. There are 2 hectares of land and 11 buildings that are empty and being destroyed, including an 18th-century city estate. And I thought, it would be nice if the city helped restore at least part of this complex. And a children's hospital named after Lisa Glinka would appear on the map of Moscow. Further, not wanting to spend the foundation’s money on projects that are still unclear, I simply called various acquaintances who, in one way or another, were involved in the creation and construction of medical facilities, and asked them to give me some ideas about what kind of children’s institution Moscow lacks. One of these ideas was to create a children's rehabilitation center with a commercial and non-profit department. The idea was that the income from the commercial branch would support the non-profit. We later scrapped this idea, but at the moment when it appeared, I went to the general on some completely unrelated matter. And then a tragic coincidence happened. A few days before the visit to the general, the devil managed to give an interview to one glossy magazine and they asked me, among other things, why I didn’t fly to Syria (the foundation had a project to provide humanitarian assistance to Syrian children’s hospitals). In fact, I didn’t have the opportunity to fly there, but I jokingly replied that I wouldn’t fly there because Russian military planes don’t have toilets - which is true. After that, I found out that the most touchy people in the world are the Russian military, because soon a ten-minute story came out on some central channel about how good Doctor Lisa was, and now the bad glamorous Ksenia Sokolova, she doesn’t want to fly on our military planes , but others fly. Then they spent a long time showing how the bladder works on an airplane, etc.And this General Komissarov says to me: “Listen, if they showed this, then there is a signal to kill you.”I say, okay, anything can happen, I’m new to this topic and didn’t know that people were so offended, but there really are no toilets! And then I told him about our plan for the Glinka hospital. Then I even sent it to him. He answered me that he showed the plan to specialists and they considered it unprofessional. I explained to him that this is just one of the ideas, we have more than ten such options. In the end, we put them all in the trash and settled on the option of a children's treatment and foster care center.

But the general had already decided for himself that Ksenia Sokolova wanted to chop off 2 hectares of Moscow real estate with an estate, open some kind of meaningless commercial center there and profit from the children.

And, apparently, as I understand it, he began to develop this negative image of me, because before that he told me about Pavel Astakhov, who also chopped off some kind of mansion, supposedly for children.

“You will get into trouble, the general doesn’t like you.”

- So, he suspected you of wanting to make money for charity?

Exactly. He did not understand my motives, did not believe that my work in the foundation was simply a tribute to friendship. I was looking for self-interest. As a result, she and Mrs. Avilova formed a tandem, and quite effective. I realized this when Avilova came to the next meeting of the foundation with a black folder with gold embossing “Investigative Committee”. She told everyone present that she did not trust me, and they would soon be imprisoned. After the meeting, we talked to her together, and she openly told me: “Go away. I’ll do everything myself, and you go away.” I say: “Why do I have to leave?” She: “You will be in big trouble, the general doesn’t like you.” The funny thing is that if these people came to me and said: “Ksyusha, you were our crisis manager, thank you, we will continue on our own,” I would have left with great relief. But they began to put pressure on me.

Elizaveta Glinka and Ksenia Sokolova. Photo: personal Facebook page

I literally got involved. There is a clear boundary when I got involved and realized that prospects had opened up, and I knew how to develop the fund.

- Did anyone from the authorities help you?

Mikhail Aleksandrovich Fedotov helped from the very beginning - together with Anna Agranovich they made a new charter, regulations on the board of trustees, etc. I myself did not call or impose myself on any of the high patrons of the foundation, they called me from Volodin, then from Mironov, etc. d. I met with everyone who invited me. At one of the meetings with Volodin, I honestly said that the moment had come that I needed to decide - either to leave or to stay and implement a new strategy. We have put everything in order, and if the fund operates in the volumes in which it operates, then I simply won’t be needed there, they will handle it just fine on their own. But there is a strategic plan: to create a treatment and patronage center, to do other projects, we came up with “Doctor Lisa’s vans” for pensioners in Moscow, projects for the homeless, etc. We started hiring new people, we had to rent an office, since there was a new team to work with there's just nowhere.

- Could you recruit people yourself or did you have to consult with the board?

There were three of us on the board: me, Avilova and Andrei Makeev, a trustee and long-term donor of the foundation. Everything was decided by a simple majority on the board. At the same time, operational management was carried out by director Maxim Agranovich. For example, the director comes to me and says: we need an accountant, a secretary. And we hired the necessary people, but did not inflate the staff.

“Putin gave instructions: “look through, work through and express an opinion”

- Who gave money to the fund?

When I arrived, there were about 40 million rubles in the accounts. This was mainly money for statutory activities. I attracted several donors. For example, a donor appeared who brought about 15 million. 5 million a year was traditionally donated personally by Volodin, etc. Small donations were constantly coming from people, as is usually the case in foundations. But our potential was much higher; it is obvious that with such fame we could attract much more funds. A clear professional structure was needed, including retail fundraising. From a small foundation, the center of which was Lisa, who passed away, we had to move to a system, and last summer we made such a glass bridge to the future structure. And when some money had already been invested in this, but there were no concrete results yet, they hit us.

I felt that something was being done against me, but I was so passionate about what we came up with that I simply did not pay attention to the negativity.

We created plans, came up with projects, went to strategic sessions, etc. At the end of the year, I brought the idea of ​​a treatment and patronage center named after Glinka, described on two pieces of paper, to Sergei Mironov. As he later told me, he handed it along with his cover letter personally to Vladimir Putin. And Putin instructed Sobyanin to “review, work through and express his opinion” (the document is at the disposal of the editors. - MBKH Media). I was very inspired by this paper and immediately showed it to all the employees. Almost simultaneously, Lyudmila Mikhailovna Alekseeva, a member of our board of trustees, at the ceremony for presenting her with the State Prize, asked Putin for personal patronage for the “Fair Aid of Doctor Lisa” Foundation. The President seemed to react favorably to this. And it was from this moment that we started having serious troubles.

Letter from deputy Sergei Mironov to Vldimir Putin with Vladimir Putin’s resolution and instructions to Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin to support the Fair Aid Fund project. Photo from the archive of Ksenia Sokolova

As I understand it, General Komissarov and his allies realized that I was beginning to succeed at something. And the general sent me a letter addressed to someone else: “I told you what Ksenia Sokolova is doing and showed you the plan for the commercial clinic that she is going to open and I will do everything possible and impossible to protect the honor of my friend Dr. Lisa.” I wrote back to him saying that this letter probably came to me by accident. The general replied that he had specifically sent me this letter for review.

Letter from Igor Komissarov, forwarded to Ksenia Sokolova

Yes. We received support from Putin, Mr. Volodin went with me to Sobyanin, introduced me and told the mayor about our idea. Sergei Semenovich asked, maybe you don’t have to have a big estate right away, maybe we’ll give you an old orphanage and you’ll make this center there? I assured him that the orphanage would suit us just fine. Then the deputy called me. Moscow Mayor Leonid Pechatnikov approved the idea of ​​the center, and we agreed to create a working group. In the same December, the Foundation received the RBC Prize. December 25 was the anniversary of Lisa's death. Dozens of journalists began to come to us, and the REN TV channel also came. They did a long interview with me. And then they asked to see them again - to finish filming something. The correspondent handed me a paper - it was an internal audit I ordered, which the members of the general meeting of our organization received the day before: “But here it is written that your administrative expenses exceeded your spending on medicines. Please comment!” This, of course, was nonsense. I asked the correspondent where he got this document from, he did not answer. I sent them away.

It became clear that REN TV was filming the dirty trick, and that someone had leaked our confidential internal documents to them.

This was not the first time. The day before, several journalists approached me for an interview, directly referring to a letter describing my malicious activities and a copy of this audit, which Natalya Avilova sent to representatives of various charitable organizations. I realized that REN TV wanted to show its story just on the anniversary of Lisa’s death in the “Dobro on Air” program, and I wrote to the channel’s management asking them to show this story not on that day, but at least later, out of respect for Lisa’s memory. They didn't answer me. Then Mikhail Aleksandrovich Fedotov somehow prevented the broadcast of the “revelatory” story on December 25th. The story came out later.

“Under Lisa, the main money of the fund was black”

- What was in the plot?

It said that I increased my salary five times, rented an office, raised the salaries of my employees, I spend more on lawyers than on medicines, my charges cannot get into the new office because there are stairs, etc. The correspondent quoted the rehabilitation project center, which I sent to Komissarov, and said that I was going to open a commercial clinic. They showed some photos of me from glamorous parties, and the conclusion was: here was the good Liza, she received 30 thousand rubles, and here was the bad Ksenia, who raised her salary five times and was wasting the money.

- And under Lisa Glinka, did the employees really receive a very small salary?

I think it’s now possible to reveal the open secret that everyone knows about: under Lisa, most of the fund’s money was black. People's salaries were partially paid by whites, and everything else was paid in cash. Lisa was given cash in large quantities. They absolutely trusted her, she spent money on her wards, on trips to Donetsk, etc. The donors did not doubt her honesty and did the right thing - I testify as a person who knew her for a long time and helped her. When Lisa died, the fund's cash register disappeared without a trace - that's what several of her closest employees told me.

Commissioned programs on REN TV, sending internal documents, dissatisfaction with you of the General Investigative Committee, who was the curator of the fund, what was the purpose of all these actions?

The goal is for me not to be in the fund. This was clearly stated by Avilova, who was my antagonist, and General Komissarov made it clear. He wrote to me that the support of those in power for me was a temporary phenomenon. And I wrote to him in response that he has the right to express his opinion, but I am against dirty methods, leaks, denunciations, fabricated stories, etc. By the way, he actually admitted at the meeting that the leaks on REN TV were his doing board of trustees, saying that his “friend Volodya Tyulin,” the general director of REN TV, is ready for a lot for him. I remembered this because in response, the shocked Marianna Maksimovskaya asked the general why he was leaking his friend like that. As further showed, the general considered it possible to achieve his goal by any means, including the most cynical and harsh.

- That is, in December 2017 you entered the “warpath”?

Yes, it became clear that I would not be able to remain in the fund together with Avilova. It became clear that General Komissarov would not stop. And I didn't want to give up. They failed to ruin my reputation. Although REN TV published two more stories, completely mediocre ones, I must say. None of the influential people or opinion leaders paid attention to them. Firstly, I had some kind of reputation, and everyone understood that I would not steal money, and certainly not 170 thousand rubles of salary in Lisa’s basement. Secondly, I worked for the first 8 months at the fund for free and, in fact, my salary was assigned when we moved to implement a new strategy and when it became clear that I was working full time. Of course, all administrative expenses occurred strictly within the framework of the law.

- Has Avilova left the fund?

There were two meetings of the board of trustees, at which, despite statements by Avilova and Komissarov against me, members of the board took my side, and Avilova was forced to leave. But then Lisa’s widower, Gleb Glinka, came into the picture, and a year ago he asked me to save the fund. I think the general did his job, Gleb realized that they wouldn’t let me live anyway, and it was better to stay closer to the more influential party. And Gleb Glinka, the heir to the brand, together with Avilova submitted an application to the Ministry of Justice to create the Doctor Lisa Foundation named after Elizaveta Glinka. Thus, the “Fair Aid of Doctor Lisa” fund has a confusing double. The brand has become diluted. This was another powerful blow. And then I began to understand that our strategic plans were at least being postponed. Besides, I’m terribly tired of this meaningless behind-the-scenes fuss instead of creative activity, all these squabbles, leaks, denunciations and conversations behind my back.

This is not how I imagined charity to be at all.

And I decided that until September, until everything settles down, we will freeze all strategic projects and simply carry out those that already exist. We removed my salary, leaving a nominal salary - 20 thousand rubles. Andrei Makeev was appointed director of MBOO with a salary of 1 ruble. Alexander Kulikovsky became involved in the Donetsk project. And I decided to rest a little. But it was not there.

“Four times the investigator refused to initiate a criminal case”

Then my opponents realized that they had failed to destroy my reputation and began to ruin my life. Natalya Avilova wrote a statement, although it would be more correct to say a denunciation, to the Investigative Committee about my “abuses” and sent it by e-mail addressed to Bastrykin. And pre-investigation checks began, of which there were five over five months.

- Were you removed from the post of president at a meeting of the board of trustees while you were in the hospital?

Yes, June 29th. Before that, I successfully repelled all attacks. And that time, when I was not there, the director of the foundation, Andrei Makeev, spoke. He spoke about our work during the reporting period, to which he was told that we asked for written reports and plans, but you did not provide them, so we recommend changing the president, changing the board, accepting new members into the organization, etc. That is, they had everything prepared in advance. They decided to appoint Tatyana Konstantinova as president.

- Who is she?

This is a fairly well-known woman in the charity movement; she works at the Connection Foundation for the Support of the Deaf-Blind. The problem of my opponents was that, according to our charter, the decisions of the Board of Trustees are advisory in nature, they had to be implemented. To do this, the initiative group led by Gleb Glinka announced a general meeting in order to change power there. But for the legitimacy of the general meeting they needed a quorum, and they did not have a quorum. Then they resorted to forgery: Ms. Avilova left the organization on February 12, 2018 (the statement is at the disposal of the editors - “MBH Media”). And they pretended that she never left the organization. Thanks to her “presence,” they received a quorum to legalize the general meeting of the organization’s members.

Statement by Natalya Avilova on her withdrawal from the Fair Aid Foundation. Photo: from the archive of Ksenia Sokolova

Four times the investigator refused to initiate a criminal case. A fifth inspection was carried out, which led to the initiation of a case. I believe this happened because we did not agree to admit the forgery and Alexander Kulikovsky wrote a statement to the prosecutor’s office and the Ministry of Justice about the raider takeover of the fund. After four inspections, we “didn’t get over it,” they conducted a fifth inspection and opened a case. Moreover, at first they tried to accuse me of allegedly paying employees inflated salaries and they returned part of these salaries to me in the form of cash. But then, when the story of the theft of funds through fraud was not confirmed, a strange structure of abuse of power arose: an allegedly unidentified group of people misappropriated funds by hiring two lawyers. And one of the lawyers was assigned a large salary, from the point of view of the investigation. And thus, damage was caused to the fund, because lawyer Anna Agranovich received a million-odd rubles for the entire duration of the contract. During the inspections, employees were called, testimony was collected, then financial activities were checked, etc. All this under the strict guidance of stakeholders and unrelenting pressure. Then they did one very nasty thing. We convinced the mothers of sick children, whom the foundation brought for treatment from Donetsk and prepared documents for them to be treated in Russia under compulsory medical insurance, to write carbon copies of statements that we are forcing them to ask for refugee status, but they really don’t want to do this. The mothers’ statements immediately went to the Human Rights Council to Fedotov and to investigator Semyonov’s desk. That is, these unfortunate women were manipulated, promising to cure their children for a fee if they wrote such statements. But this was not enough. In the end, the investigation decided to open a case that the fund’s management hired two lawyers to allegedly do the same thing, although this was not the case. Alexander Kulikovsky is not a lawyer, he is a human rights activist, he took care of children who were brought from Donetsk, prepared documents, and received people several times a week on various human rights issues. And Anna Agranovich is a lawyer, a lawyer, she completely created all the legal documents of the Foundation and as soon as she finished all this, the contract with her was terminated. And by the way, until June 2017 she worked for free.

“It became clear that the foundation is no longer a basement with homeless people”

And yet, what, in your opinion, was the motivation for the General Investigative Committee, who essentially, together with Avilova, as you said, initiated this persecution against you? Just because you are the wrong benefactor?

There is a second version, less “romantic”. It is expressed by all my pragmatic acquaintances: when it became clear that this foundation is no longer a basement with homeless people and not a small charity house, but can receive huge resources, an estate in the center, etc., that there is presidential patronage, promised multimillion-dollar grants, and Putin supported, or at least saw, the project of the Glinka Center, they realized that they urgently needed to seize these potential resources. This version is supported by the fact that the capture began precisely in December 2017, when it was the anniversary of Liza’s death and when good events for us happened one after another. In fact, it was then that attempts to take over the Foundation began. As for my personal situation, I can say what these people did.

When they realized that I would not just leave under their pressure, they began to destroy my reputation, when this reputation stood, they began to destroy my life.

A criminal case has now been opened. And we all know perfectly well what to do in such cases: we need to leave. I don't really want to leave.

-Are you afraid of a criminal case?

I don’t believe one iota in any justice in Russia. I am absolutely sure that if the people who work in the Investigative Committee want this criminal case to be developed, it will be developed. I'm not afraid of it, I'm ready for it. The main emotion I feel is deep disgust. As Shalamov wrote, the camp is an invaluable human experience, but I am convinced that no one needs this experience. So, I gained invaluable experience and I can say that it would be better if I had never seen these people or known about their existence.

- But you know very influential people. Have you turned to them for help?

First of all, I don't like to complain. Secondly, I realized that these people who fought against me managed to run through all the offices they could in a very short time and tell an incredible amount of horrors about me. I began to contact someone at the last moment - after the fourth or during the fifth pre-investigation check. I said: look, some strange people are doing something against me. And in the same vein, my influential friends answered that, of course, they were digging something there, but it would not come to the point of initiating a criminal case. And, for example, Mr. Fedotov assured me that you just need to do your job, not paying attention to the general.I said - well, of course, there has been a constant emergency situation in the fund for more than six months, people are dragged for interrogation, they are not allowed to work normally, people are intimidated, demoralized.To which the head of the Human Rights Council answered me - it’s nothing, work, Ksenia, write reports, apply for government grants. I was absolutely amazed that he considered this situation normal and did not even try, as the head of the board of trustees, to protect us. Or rather, I tried. But he couldn't. In general, it was “Russian folk Kafka” in its purest form.

- That is, no one believed that all this was serious?

Yes, no one believed it. This means we are writing a positive note to the general, he turned out to be a stubborn guy.

- Could a criminal case be initiated without Bastrykin’s knowledge?

I don't know their cuisine. I saw that the investigator of the Investigative Committee for the Central Administrative District of Moscow, Denis Semenov, who conducted the checks, is a fairly decent person. He told me a couple of times in plain text that he didn’t want to get involved in these local squabbles. Four times he refused to initiate a criminal case based on a delusional denunciation; his immediate superior, who was obviously under pressure, returned the case to him.

“These people should not be allowed within a shot of charity”

Lisa Glinka’s husband Gleb asked you to head the fund, Mikhail Fedotov, the head of the Board of Trustees, supported you. What is the role of these people in this whole story now?

Gleb Glinka has not been on my side for a long time, he is a cunning man and quickly figured everything out. Mikhail Aleksandrovich Fedotov, I think, was subjected to serious pressure. Fedotov is a very cautious person, and I do not understand why he decided to cover up the obvious forgery that occurred during the general meeting of the organization on June 29. But in general, the situation is this: all of them - Fedotov, influential patrons, the general, and even Avilova - represent a system, and I am outside this system. I'm a stranger. Obviously, they interact with me as long as I am beneficial to them in some capacity, as long as I behave as a system player. And being a system player means, for example, recognizing the situation when the Investigative Committee opens a case against you is normal. And somehow humbly groaning and experiencing it.

In your opinion, some people who work in the foundation and provide its patronage do not meet the moral criteria that are usually applied to philanthropists?

I am absolutely sure that an informer cannot be a benefactor. A person (by the way, a man) who wants to criminally prosecute the mother of a minor child on the basis of denunciations and fabricated charges (I’m talking about myself) cannot be a philanthropist, no matter how much he quotes the Bible. The moral qualities that these people demonstrated mean only one thing: they should not be allowed to approach charity within a cannon shot. Their hypocrisy and lies are deeply disgusting.

- If Lisa Glinka were alive, how would she react to this situation?

I think she would have said: “Sokolova, you are a fool!”

- Why?

Lisa's story and the history of her relationships with people in power is not simple. At some point, when she contacted them, I think she realized that she had to behave like a player in the system, which she by nature was not at all.

- How exactly to behave?

Compromise. And I absolutely justify her, because on the scales there were children whom she could pull out and save from death, thanks to influential patrons.

- You weren’t offered a similar choice, were you?

Yes, it was not offered to me. I just looked at some of them and didn't like them. And they realized that I would not play by their rules.

- You repeated several times that they did not like you. For what?

In general, in the eyes of the charitable community, I am such a young lady in Chanel from some kind of glamor, I am a stranger.

People don't like foreignness. But it was possible to mimic it. For example, the general sent me a book about Dr. Haas , he tried to convert me to his faith. But I stubbornly did not apply. I never stopped wearing my fur coat. I said: “Here I am, as I am, and here is what I want to do. Look, approve or disapprove.” And I never resorted to intrigue, denunciations, or undercover methods. I have always acted directly. And this set of qualities turned out to be completely unsuitable for doing business with the system. Or I had to adapt to them, which was obviously technically correct, because you cannot rebuild a huge system that functioned for many decades before you. You must enter it. I didn't do it, I admit. But according to the “Hamburg account”, the fact that Lisa got on that plane is a consequence of the fact that she became part of the system. It was her choice, and I believe, forgive the pathos, that the Russian state is in her debt. And so I thought that if they created a children’s hospital named after Glinka, which would remain in Moscow for centuries, like the clinic named after Sklifosovsky, they would at least partially pay off this debt.

- If you were to rewind everything, would you agree to head this fund?

Never and under no circumstances.