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Playing cards are associated with the desecration of Christianity and are a direct means of communication between a person and demons. All four card suits imply nothing more than the Cross of Christ along with other sacred objects equally revered by Christians. Playing the fool and carelessly throwing playing cards on the table, many people, without realizing it, desecrate Christian shrines. The suit of clubs (trefoil) is the blasphemy of raging gamblers against the Cross of Christ. In Jewish tradition, treph food is unclean. Accordingly, the suit of “crosses,” blasphemously symbolizing the Cross of the Lord, is designated by a word testifying to the Jewish abomination of the Cross. The suit “spade” blasphemes the gospel spade. As the Lord predicted about His piercing, through the mouth of the prophet Zechariah, that “they will look at Him whom they have pierced,” so it happened: “one of the soldiers (Longinus) pierced His ribs with a spear.” The suit “worms” blasphemes the gospel sponge (on a reed), which touched the lips of the Savior. As Christ warned about His poisoning, through the mouth of the prophet David, that the soldiers “gave Me gall for food and gave Me vinegar to drink,” so it came true: “One of them took a sponge, gave it vinegar to drink, and, putting it on a cane, gave Him to drink.” The suit of “tambourines” blasphemes the Gospel forged tetrahedral jagged nails with which the hands and feet of the Savior were nailed to the tree of the Cross. As the Lord prophesied about His clove piercing, through the mouth of the psalmist David, that “they pierced My hands and My feet,” so it came true. The Apostle Thomas, who said, “unless I see in His hands the marks of the nails, and put my finger into the marks of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe,” but “I believed because I saw.” How did playing cards get to Russia? According to the writer S.S. Narovchaty, under Ivan the Terrible, a certain Chercelli appeared in Moscow, whom the Muscovites (not without reason) renamed Chertello and both of these names were combined in records ambassadorial order. He brought to Moscow a chest wrapped in a shawl, black with red stripes, which seemed to correspond to the colors - black and red. But some Muscovites considered them the colors of hellfire. Already existed in the West special shape card business - card printing. Chercelli wanted to involve Ivan Fedorov in a similar activity. Naturally, the pioneer printer refused. An anti-card campaign has begun. The Code of 1649 ordered the complete eradication of playing cards in Rus'. However, in the 18th century, the attitude towards this game in our country softened greatly. At the same time, it was unlikely that the gamblers knew why these particular figures were depicted on the cardboard rectangles and who the ace was? To the last question, modern Dictionary Ushakova answers: “ace” is a word of Polish origin from the German Daus and means a playing card worth one point. The same dictionary also indicates another meaning: Daus - devil, followed by a list of typical German curse words mentioning the unclean. Probably Daus is a corruption of the Greek "diabolos" - a dispeller of slander. The structure of a card deck is a typical hierarchical ladder from highest to lowest. At the top of this pyramid is not a monarch, but that same Daus, from whom you can only shield yourself sign of the cross and prayer. Thus, the hierarchy in the card deck is subordinate to the prince of this world, and he is symbolized not by one point, but by number one. So card games are not at all harmless, they are a mockery of the suffering of Christ. For everyone who has playing cards at home, it is better to get rid of them - burn them. Should be sent into the fire various cards for fortune telling, causing great harm to a person. Finding out your destiny by any means, including cards, is going against the will of the Lord. What do the holy fathers say about fortune telling? St. Ephraim the Syrian: “Beware of making potions, casting spells, telling fortunes, making storages (talismans) or wearing those made by others: these are not storages, but bonds.” St. John Chrysostom: “Just as slave traders, offering small children pies, sweet fruits and the like, often catch them with such bait and deprive them of freedom and even life itself, so in the same way sorcerers, promising to cure a disease, deprive a person of the salvation of his soul.” Saint Basil the Great: “Do not be curious about the future, but make good use of the present. For what benefit is there for you to anticipate the command? If the future brings you something good, it will come, although you did not know it in advance. And if it is sorrowful, why languish in sorrow until the end? Do you want to make sure of the future? Fulfill what is prescribed by the Gospel Law and expect to enjoy blessings.” Sources: Hello, Father Vyacheslav. My name is Vladimir. You wrote in one of the answers that playing cards is a sin. You are a computer user, so you know the games included in the computer. Please answer, is it a sin to play spider solitaire or play kerchief? Thank you. Hello Vladimir! Why can’t you play cards, play solitaire, use card symbols, and even more so, guess, no matter whether on a physical table or a computer monitor? Symbols, images, hieroglyphs are by no means always harmless pictures. These are the same words presented in the form of graphic images. Some words cannot be uttered at all without harm to the soul. There are concepts that should not be present even in thoughts. For the same reasons, one cannot draw ungodly subjects for the sake of the subjects themselves in any way: naturalistic, symbolic or symbolic (taboo), including cards. Card symbolism is blasphemous. Card symbols are borrowed from church symbols. “Clubs” or “crosses” is a card with the image of a “trefoil” cross, the cross of Christ, which is worshiped by half the world. Translated from Yiddish, “club” means “bad” or “evil spirits.” Do passionate gamblers ever think about what kind of blasphemy their “innocent” activity turns out to be against the Lord! The card suit “vini”, or otherwise “spade”, symbolizes the gospel pike, that is, the spear of the holy martyr Longinus the Centurion. As the Lord predicted in His providence, through the mouth of the prophet Zechariah, “that they would look upon Him whom they had pierced” (Zech. 12:10), so it happened: “one of the soldiers (Longinus) pierced His side with a spear” (John 19:34). ). Happens often to a player: Sebastian BRANT. 1494 Don't forget your goal. Look at the sky, at the beauty that awaits us. What is the present? Isn't it dust, dust and sleep? Isn’t what we see subject to corruption and corruption of the mind? What is heavenly is eternal. The Kingdom of God is endless, and blessed is he who dwells in it, because he will see the glory of the face of God! God bless you! Monday, 13 Oct. 2014Why can’t you play cards, play solitaire, use card symbols, and especially guess at least queen of spades, at least for a heart? Symbols, images, hieroglyphs are by no means always harmless pictures. These are the same words presented in the form of graphic images. Some words cannot be uttered at all without harm to the soul. There are concepts that should not be present even in thoughts. For the same reasons, one cannot draw ungodly subjects for the sake of the subjects themselves in any way: naturalistic, symbolic or symbolic (taboo), including cards. Explanatory Dictionary V.I. Dalia gives the following definition of cards: “glued together, small pieces of paper with images of points in four suits and figures.” Cards have ancient history, their origin has not yet been precisely established. The invention of playing cards is attributed to the Chinese. Ching Tsze Tung's dictionary says that cards were invented in 1120. (according to Christian chronology), and in 1132. were already in widespread use in China. According to another version, cards were invented in Egypt and were intended for fortune telling. Card suits were used in Byzantium to decorate fabrics. IN Western Europe maps appeared in the 14th century. IN modern form with kings, jacks, etc. they have existed since the 15th century. According to the writer S.S. Narovchatov, under Ivan the Terrible, a certain Chercelli appeared in Moscow. Cercelli, or as he was popularly called Chertello, was called a Frenchman in Italy, a German in France, a Pole in Germany, and a Russian in Poland. He brought to Moscow a chest wrapped in a shawl, black with red stripes, which seemed to correspond to the colors - black and red, but Muscovites said that these were the colors of hellfire. A gambling epidemic began in the Third Rome, “they were cutting for money.” The cards began to be in demand, and Chercelli decided to develop in Moscow a special type of card business, which by that time had already flourished in the West - card printing. His tempting offer was received rather coolly by Muscovites. The first printer, Ivan Fedorov, flatly refused to participate in such a matter. At first, the authorities were tolerant of practicing with cards, but then they began to persecute them because they saw it as interference evil spirits. Of the legislative monuments about cards, the Code of 1649 is the first to be mentioned, which prescribes to deal with card players “as it is written about tatias” (thieves), i.e. beat mercilessly, cut off fingers and hands. Decree of 1696 It was introduced to search all those suspected of wanting to play cards, “and whoever has their cards taken out will be beaten with a whip.” In 1717 Playing cards is prohibited under threat of a fine. In 1733 For repeat offenders, prison or batogs are designated. In the 18th century, the attitude towards this game in Russia softened greatly and in general, when researching prohibited games, it was ordered to “act with caution so as not to cause unnecessary slander, insults and worries.” The passion for the game grew, and no one was interested in why these particular figures were depicted on the cardboard rectangles and what, or rather, who was the ace? Ushakov's dictionary answers: “ace” is a word of Polish origin from the German Daus and means a playing card worth one point. The German-Russian dictionary also indicates another meaning of the word: Daus - devil. It is possible that Daus is a corruption of the Greek "diabolos" - a dispeller of slander. The structure of a card deck is known to everyone: king, queen, jack (from the French “servant”), even lower tens, nines, and so on up to sixes or twos in a full deck - a typical hierarchical ladder from highest to lowest. Sometimes another card is added to the deck - the Joker. A frivolous figure in tights, a jester's cap, bells... And in his hands - a scepter with a human head strung on it, which has now been replaced by humane artists with musical "cymbals". In pre-revolutionary stage performances, a similar character was called Fradiavolo. The Joker card is the highest of all, it has no suit and is considered the strongest in the game. At the top of the pyramid, in any case, there is not a monarch, but that same Daus, from whom you can only shield yourself with the sign of the cross and prayer. Thus, the hierarchy in the card deck is subordinate to the prince of this world, who, the prince of the power of the air, is symbolized not by one point, but by number one. “Trump” cards, their very name, have their own special purpose. “Kosher” i.e. Talmudists call ritual sacrifices “pure,” so the real meaning of card games lies in the humiliation of our shrines, because by covering the cross with the “trump six,” players believe that this “six” is higher and stronger than the Life-Giving Cross! So, playing cards are by no means a kind of simple game compromised by an element of gambling. This is a model of the domination of the prince of this world over his free and involuntary subjects. This is the meaning of card symbolism, and symbols are no joke. There is a strict prohibition of the Church: under no circumstances should you touch the so-called “depths of Satan” (Rev. 2:24), therefore, when in a company someone suggests playing cards, remember: who is higher than the card king. Trefoil card cross, copy, sponge and nail from the book “The History of the Development of the Cross Shape” The motives for the outrageous desecration and blasphemy of the Holy Cross by conscious cross-haters and crusaders are quite understandable. But when we see Christians drawn into this vile business, it is all the more impossible to remain silent, for - in the words of St. Basil the Great - “God is betrayed by silence”! The so-called “playing cards”, which, unfortunately, are available in many homes, are a tool of demonic communication, through which a person certainly comes into contact with demons - the enemies of God. All four card “suits” mean nothing more than the cross of Christ along with other sacred objects equally revered by Christians: a spear, a sponge and nails, that is, everything that was the instrument of the suffering and death of the Divine Redeemer. And out of ignorance, many people, playing the fool, allow themselves to blaspheme the Lord, taking, for example, a card with the image of a “trefoil” cross, that is, the cross of Christ, which is worshiped by half the world, and throwing it carelessly with the words (forgive me, Lord !) “club”, which translated from Yiddish means “bad” or “evil spirits”! Moreover, these daredevils, who are playing with suicide, essentially believe that this cross is “beating” with some lousy “trump six”, not knowing at all that “trump” and “kosher” are written, for example, in Latin, the same. It would be high time to clarify the true rules of all card games, in which all players are left “in the fool”: they consist in the fact that ritual sacrifices, in Hebrew called by the Talmudists “kosher” (that is, “pure”), supposedly have power over Life-giving Cross! If you know that playing cards cannot be used for purposes other than desecration Christian shrines to the delight of the demons, the role of cards in “fortune telling”—those nasty quests for demonic revelations—will become extremely clear. In this regard, is it necessary to prove that anyone who touches a deck of cards and does not bring sincere repentance in confession for the sins of blasphemy and blasphemy is guaranteed registration in hell? So, if “clubs” is the blasphemy of raging gamblers against specially depicted crosses, which they also call “crosses”, then what do “blames”, “worms” and “diamonds” mean? We will not bother ourselves with translating these curses into Russian, since we do not have a Yiddish textbook; we'd better open it New Testament to shed the Light of God, unbearable for them, on the demonic tribe. Saint Ignatius Brianchaninov edifies in the imperative mood: “get acquainted with the spirit of the time, study it, so as to avoid its influence if possible”. The card suit “blame”, or otherwise “spade”, blasphemes the gospel spade, then As the Lord predicted about His perforation, through the mouth of the prophet Zechariah, that “They will look to Him whom they have pierced”(12:10), this is what happened: "one of the warriors(Longinus) pierced His side with a spear"(John 19:34). The card suit "hearts" blasphemes the gospel sponge on the cane. As Christ warned about His poisoning, through the mouth of the prophet David, that the warriors “They gave me gall for food, and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.”(Ps. 68:22), and so it came true: “One of them took a sponge, filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, gave Him to drink.”(Matt. 27:48). The card suit “diamonds” blasphemes the Gospel forged tetrahedral jagged nails with which the hands and feet of the Savior were nailed to the tree of the Cross. As the Lord prophesied about his clove crucifixion, through the mouth of the psalmist David, that "They pierced My hands and My feet"(Ps. 22:17), and so it was fulfilled: Apostle Thomas, who said “Unless I see in His hands the wounds of the nails, and put my finger into the wounds of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.”(John 20:25), “I believed because I saw”(John 20:29); and the Apostle Peter, addressing his fellow tribesmen, testified: “Men of Israel!- he said, - Jesus of Nazareth (…) you took it and nailed it(to the cross) hands(Romans) the lawless were killed; but God raised Him up"(Acts 2:22, 24). The unrepentant thief crucified with Christ, like today's gamblers, blasphemed the sufferings of the Son of God on the cross and, out of inveteracy and unrepentance, went forever to hell; and the prudent thief, setting an example for everyone, repented on the cross and thereby inherited eternal life with God blessing. Therefore, let us firmly remember that for us Christians there can be no other object of hope and hope, no other support in life, no other banner uniting and inspiring us, except the only saving sign of the invincible Cross of the Lord! Crosses are a crucifix, and they are called clubs - this is some kind of Jewish curse Spikes - with which Christ was pierced on the cross Bubi - sponge with vinegar Hearts - I don't remember First of all, it's a waste of time. Secondly, passion. Both are bad.
well, it’s a waste of time and excitement, that’s understandable) But dominoes, for example, or any other games don’t cause such protests as cards) I don’t play myself - I just have to be persuaded by friends - you need to competently justify your refusal 0 =) God bless you for your answer) )
The so-called “playing cards”, which, unfortunately, are available in many homes, are an instrument of demonic communication, through which a person certainly comes into contact with demons - the enemies of God. All four card “suits” mean nothing more than the cross of Christ along with other sacred objects equally revered by Christians: a spear, a sponge and nails, that is, everything that was the instrument of the suffering and death of the Divine Redeemer. And out of ignorance, many people, playing the fool, allow themselves to blaspheme the Lord, taking, for example, a card with the image of a “trefoil” cross, that is, the cross of Christ, which is worshiped by half the world, and throwing it carelessly with the words (forgive me, Lord !) "club", which translated from Yiddish means "bad" or "evil spirits"! Moreover, these daredevils, who are playing with suicide, essentially believe that this cross is “beating” with some lousy “trump six”, not knowing at all that “trump” and “kosher” are written, for example, in Latin, the same. It would be high time to clarify the true rules of all card games, in which all players are left “in the fool”: they consist in the fact that ritual sacrifices, in Hebrew called by the Talmudists “kosher” (that is, “pure”), supposedly have power over Life-giving Cross! If you know that playing cards cannot be used for purposes other than the desecration of Christian shrines to the delight of demons, then the role of cards in “fortune telling” - these nasty quests for demonic revelations - will become extremely clear. In this regard, is it necessary to prove that anyone who touches a deck of cards and does not bring sincere repentance in confession for the sins of blasphemy and blasphemy is guaranteed registration in hell?
So, if “clubs” is the blasphemy of raging gamblers against specially depicted crosses, which they also call “crosses”, then what do “blames”, “worms” and “diamonds” mean? We will not bother ourselves with translating these curses into Russian, since we do not have a Yiddish textbook; It’s better to open the New Testament to shed the Light of God, unbearable for them, on the demonic tribe. Saint Ignatius Brianchaninov in the imperative mood edifies: “get acquainted with the spirit of the time, study it, so as to avoid its influence if possible.” The card suit “blame”, or otherwise “spade”, blasphemes the gospel spade, then As the Lord predicted about His piercing, through the mouth of the prophet Zechariah, that “they will look at Him whom they pierced” (12:10), this is what happened: “one of soldiers (Longinus) pierced His side with a spear" (John 19:34). The card suit "hearts" blasphemes the gospel sponge on the cane. As Christ warned about His poisoning, through the mouth of the prophet David, that the soldiers “gave me gall for food, and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink” (Ps. 68:22), so it came true: “one of them took a sponge, gave me vinegar to drink and He put it on a reed and gave Him something to drink" (Matthew 27:48). The card suit “diamonds” blasphemes the Gospel forged tetrahedral jagged nails with which the hands and feet of the Savior were nailed to the tree of the Cross. As the Lord prophesied about His cloves, through the mouth of the psalmist David, that “they pierced My hands and My feet” (Ps. 23:17), so it was fulfilled: the Apostle Thomas, who said “if I do not see in His hands the wounds from the nails, and I will not put my finger through the wound of the nails, nor will I put my hand into His side, I will not believe” (John 20:25), “I believed because I saw” (John 20:29); and the Apostle Peter, turning to his fellow tribesmen, testified: “Men of Israel!” he said, “you took Jesus of Nazareth (...) and nailed him (to the cross) with the hands of the lawless (Romans), and killed him; but God raised Him up” (Acts 2:22, 24). The unrepentant thief crucified with Christ, like today's gamblers, blasphemed the sufferings of the Son of God on the cross and, out of inveteracy and unrepentance, went forever to hell; and the prudent thief, setting an example for everyone, repented on the cross and thereby inherited eternal life with God. Therefore, let us firmly remember that for us Christians there can be no other object of hope and hope, no other support in life, no other banner uniting and inspiring us, except the only saving sign of the invincible Cross of the Lord!
Well, eat nesting dolls! You can't play cards, you can't smoke cigarettes or hookah. It’s a pleasure, but it’s impossible! How then can you enjoy life? 
pleasure is a by-product that you need to be able to capture. for more “high-quality” pleasure, Joy must not be sought for, but for another Meaning.
Horror! I didn't know that about cards. But that there is something in them is for sure. I know some people who, after some upheaval in life (came to Orthodoxy, read some spiritual book, or became pregnant) cannot simply physically overcome their aversion to cards.
#6 If all the pleasures in your life are limited to cards and tobacco, then this is truly a very poor life! Have you really not noticed the difference between the pleasures that leave behind a “hangover” - i.e. spiritual emptiness, physical relaxation and malaise, and even reproaches of conscience, even if barely noticeable, and those pleasures from which wings seem to grow: for example, from some interesting trip with loved ones, or from reading an interesting and good book?
Dear Ekaterina Kovina, there are probably enough joys in my life. Spend time with loved ones and go somewhere; read interesting book for the coming sleep, yes; sit at night with friends in the apartment and play poker, drinking whiskey with ice and cola, and smoking a cigar; spend time in a bar playing billiards, again with friends, yes; on my or a friends birthday, get drunk and smoke a hookah; follow the women, yes; go fishing, hunting, yes. As Omar Khayyam wrote: "...to grow a shoot of despondency in the soul is a sin..." and "... To send to hell because of wine and women? Then there are probably no souls in heaven...", and " ... There is a baby in the cradle, a dead man in the coffin, that’s all that is known about our fate. Drink the cup to the bottom and don’t ask much, the Master will not reveal the secret to the slave." If you don’t get buzz, comfort and satisfaction from life, then why live? 
Yes, Alexander made me laugh. The Bible says interesting words: drink, weigh yourself, walk, live for your pleasure - just know that for all this God will bring you to judgment...
I just can’t accept a humble way of life :-) If you look at life too seriously all the time, then it’s somehow sad, depressing or something. Why is it a sin to rejoice and have fun? Why can't you smoke a cigarette and have a little drink sometimes for fun? After all, Jesus turned water into wine at the wedding. And they receive communion with bread and wine. No, good gentlemen, I do not intend to deny myself the fun. Otherwise it’s sad to live. I don’t believe that God will punish for this. 
All this “symbolism” does not contain any meaning. Someone's imagination, in order to turn the game of cards into a frightening one, stated that the cards contain anti-Christian symbols.... I am against playing cards, but I do not share the opinion about the “symbolism”. This works for some and they don’t play......but the bad thing is that the true meaning (i.e. excitement, waste of time and money, etc.) is not deterrent for everyone. And here " Christian symbolism" - yes, it’s weighty.............. but not thorough. 
Who even said that rejoicing is a sin? It is said in the Holy Scripture: “Rejoice always,” and it is also said: “I can do everything, but not everything is useful.” There is a difference between fun, laughter, courage and joy. After verbosity, irrepressible laughter, the soul really feels disgusting, like after a hangover, and as a rule, after a fun evening, the next day the soul begins to struggle with despondency. And about the rejection of a humble lifestyle. Humility comes from the word peace, when you joyfully accept what happens in your life, when you are at peace with God and people (every Christian strives for this). Why did you decide that a humble lifestyle necessarily means sadness, inescapable melancholy? On the contrary, the saints were always in a joyful mood. Many Christians experience joy beyond words on Easter. How can conscience allow one to play cards if there is even the slightest possibility that everything said #5 is true? And we commune not with bread and wine, but with the Body and Blood of the Savior. 
Is playing cards a sin? Where does it say in the Bible? Gambling- this is definitely a sin.
Alexander. Whoever is defeated by whom is his slave. Yes, live to your health, as you see fit, just don’t call yourself Orthodox - why deceive yourself
And even playing the fool is a sin?
Peter Ivannikov, I was baptized into Orthodoxy and why can’t I call myself Orthodox if I am one.
I had an incident when I was a child: I lost my camera... It seemed like it was in my apartment - it just disappeared somewhere and that was it... I spent two weeks looking for it. We were playing cards - I go to put the cards back... shuffle the deck... I say a terrible phrase - cards, well, at least you can tell me where my camera went!!! Immediately one card flies out of the deck (as if I’m dropping it) and falls onto the chair through the hole between the back and the seat! I reach for the map and what do you think I find there? That's right) I find the camera! No way would it come to the tin to look there!! Since then I've been scared of cards...!
Tell me what to do: my husband smokes spice mixes. The roof has already started to go...
Natalya Fomina - see a narcologist!
Thank you, I’m already in mental health. Skvortsova-Stepanova is in the ambulance, thanks to my friends. Strong drug addiction to spice. He will sleep for 2 weeks, then the doctors will look at his condition. He heard voices, someone was chasing him...etc. I think he will be very good. hard to recover! Will he return to his wife and children? and how to behave?...................
Natalya, in this group the topic was raised about rehabilitation centers at churches, or something similar. Search, maybe this will help you. God help you!
Alexander P. It’s great that you were baptized in Orthodox Church, but after reading your 10th comment - this is not an Orthodox way of thinking, not all baptized will inherit salvation... Well, in general, it’s not for me to judge, forgive me. Although if you come in, everything can change for the better. God bless you
#10 Alexander. You write, “If you don’t get high, comfort and satisfaction from life, then why live?” It seems to me that these are three very different concepts, and not at all equivalent. Comfort, of course, is not a bad thing, but making it the meaning of life? This is somehow, you know, completely sad :(. It is quite possible to obtain and receive satisfaction from life even if there is no comfort in it at all. For example, climbers hardly have comfort when hiking in the mountains, but I think there is enough satisfaction and buzz. Or people live in villages, where amenities are on the street, and a bathhouse is once a week. There is much less comfort than in the city, but sometimes there is much more satisfaction from life. Satisfaction IMHO depends only on how well your life matches your ideas of what it should be. The high, that is, apparently, strong positive feelings, is also probably periodically necessary. It's just a thrill, a buzz, there's discord. Initially, the word was taken from the slang of drug addicts. You hardly consider such a thrill a necessary part of life. And it’s quite possible to get a “spiritual high” without beer and poker. Moreover, often by giving up something sinful and harmful for the sake of God’s commandment, you find a very special, incomparable “high” - grace-filled consolation. It is difficult to convey this in words; personal experience is needed here. And obtaining satisfaction from life by completely indulging one’s passions leads to the fact that a person requires more and more “new” entertainment, and gradually the needs begin to conflict with the possibilities, and even with the happiness and peace of other people. For example, if you have a spouse, or even a permanent girlfriend, then the habit of “going after women” can give rise to many problems. And giving up something that you are used to allowing yourself for a long time can be very difficult. Moreover, this is an immutable law, like Newton’s law. Even if it seems to a person that he easily controls his desires, this is only an illusion. That is why Orthodoxy teaches a person who considers himself a Christian to learn to limit his passions in order to maintain freedom from them. Freedom for a truly fulfilling, joyful and happy life. This sphere church life called asceticism. If your interest in Orthodoxy is real, then read the “ABC” of this science. For example, Abba Dorotheus.
card symbols (spades, hearts, diamonds, clubs) they are in the Church of St. Sophia in the paintings and the question of sinfulness disappears immediately Moreover, biographies of monasteries have been preserved, where the monks played cards and they got nothing for it no one is talking about the fact that it’s worth losing apartments for this but it’s better for a father to sit with his son, and even if it’s with cards, and not with the Bible (although it’s certainly better with it), so it’s better for them to play cards than a father in front of the TV and a son at the computer
So if they really are in the paintings, then this only confirms blasphemous symbolism kart! In the temple they are used to symbolically represent the Passion of Christ, and on the cards the game process is a symbol of mockery of them. They already wrote here: “trump card” from “kosher” - pure according to Jewish law, i.e. assertion of the superiority of the law over Christ; essentially playing cards is a symbolically expressed solidarity with those who crucified Him. Even if a person does it out of ignorance, I think it is too serious to ignore. Moreover, to involve a child in this, whose soul is especially defenseless against mystical influences. It’s very good for a father to sit with his son, who would argue. But really, the father can’t do anything? more interesting than cards Should I offer it to my son? At least play checkers or something... Not to mention the fact that we can make something together. I still remember how my father taught me how to plane with a plane when I was 7 years old... But if he plays cards with him, then you shouldn’t be surprised at the lost apartments - after all, what the father does is subconsciously remembered as correct, good. You can also offer your son a cigarette...
To our hall slot machines many went with families. Sometimes they brought very young children. They wondered why we didn’t let them into the smoky hall full of swearing gambling addicts
I didn’t say that the father made his son a gambling addict You should play checkers and dominoes and chess and cards with your child and not for the sake of excitement, but to teach how to lose and know when to stop I'm talking about a cigar, you shouldn't laugh, playing and smoking are not the same thing and I will repeat THE MONKS PLAYED But you can’t always play the “fool” There are games that promote the development of logic and memory, the ability to calculate ahead. develop intuition
But there are games that are much more effective in “promoting the development of logic and memory, the ability to calculate ahead, develop intuition,” and at the same time there is no need to identify with the detractors of Christ! And in the end, isn’t this danger alone, even if unproven, worth developing logic in some other way?! I also understand that this could be discussed if if not life and health, then at least happiness and well-being depended on the opportunity to play cards... But you can refuse to play cards WITHOUT LOSSING ANYTHING. So is even the hypothetical possibility of such blasphemy not an argument for a Christian? And what kind of monks are you talking about? Monks, of course, are people too, and sinful people. There were also drunkards and other sinners among them. There were also those who avoided human judgment for a time or even until the end of their lives. But the Judgment of God still exists.
Are you completely crazy about religion? Maybe the fires of the Inquisition will really flare up soon? :-)
>> But there are games that are much more effective in "promoting the development of logic and memory, the ability to calculate ahead. Develop intuition" Give examples of such games... Just really interesting... chess, of course, but chess is pure strategy without the influence of chance. Backgammon, checkers? A bit rustic (of course IMHO)... Name games without cards that can be compared to poker or bridge? IMHO there are no such... and it’s not about the cards, it’s about the person who took these pieces of paper in his hands, and it’s about other people who diligently demonize them, come up with some kind of second, sacred meaning for the cards... Or maybe there isn’t one, maybe the cards are just a stack papers with pictures, intended simply for play, and not for the pretentious “sell your soul to the devil?”
All! Let's properly find out the subject of the dispute!!
Playing cards are rectangular sheets of cardboard or thin plastic used for card games. The complete set of playing cards for a game is called a deck of cards. Cards are also used for magic tricks and fortune telling. On one side of the card (open), called the face, its value is indicated, closed side(back) is designed the same for all cards in the deck. For most modern games a standard (French) deck or its stripped-down version is used. Many games use special decks. Among these games are collectible card games.
The first playing cards appeared in East Asia. In Korea and China, maps were mentioned already in the 12th century. In India they played with round cards, in China with oblong stripes. Image of a European map from 1460 There is no exact information about how the cards got to Europe. It is possible to “import” through Arab countries or develop independently through the observation of Arab players. The first mentions of playing cards or the devil's prayer book, as they were sometimes called, are associated with demands for their complete ban. There is an entry in the chronicle of the city of Bern from 1367. In 1370, the word naipes (playing cards) appeared in a Spanish book of poetry. Since 1377, references to maps have become more frequent (most often in connection with bans). The most extensive story appeared that year from the pen of a monk in the city of Freiburg It is believed that each figure in the cards represents a specific historical character: * King David - King of Spades. * Alexander the Great - King of Clubs. * Julius Caesar - King of Tambourines. * Charlemagne is the king of hearts. IN different countries They use different decks. The most famous: * Italo-Spanish deck * German deck * French deck * Swiss deck A standard French deck consists of 54 cards: * The 52 main cards are characterized by one of four suits (two colors) and one of 13 values. * 2 special cards, so-called jokers, usually differing in design. Many games use stripped-down versions of the standard deck: * 52 cards (without jokers), * 36 cards (“Russian” deck, values start with sixes), * 32 cards (preference deck, values start with sevens)
decks of cards in different countries In many countries (Germany, Eastern European countries, Italy, Spain, Japan, Switzerland) incomplete decks of cards with other symbols of suits and pictures are used. For example, the German deck is a 32-card variant of traditional German card games (such as skat) that uses non-standard suit symbols.
Tarot cards are a system of symbols, a deck of 78 cards, which appeared in the Middle Ages in the 14th-16th centuries, today it is used mainly for fortune telling. The images on Tarot cards have complex interpretations from the point of view of astrology, occultism and alchemy, so traditionally the Tarot is associated with “secret knowledge” and is considered mysterious. Description of the Tarot card deck Main article: Tarot deck The cards in a typical tarot deck are divided into two large groups: * Major Arcana - “trump cards”, usually 22 cards. * Minor Arcana - four suits, usually 56 cards, 14 cards of each suit. Twenty-two Major Arcana are twenty-two separate plots, of which none repeats the other, and when sorted out by number, they form a clear logical sequence. The Minor Arcana consists of four series or suits - Wands, Swords, Cups and Denarii, later becoming Clubs, Spades, Hearts and Diamonds. Each suit, like playing cards, starts with an Ace, followed by a Two, a Three, and so on up to a Ten. There are also figured cards or pictures” - King, Queen, Knight and Page - one more than in playing cards.
Origin of Tarot The origin of Tarot cards is surrounded by numerous legends. But, as is considered by the majority modern research, Tarot cards appeared in Italy at the beginning of the 15th century (1420-1440). In 1450, the Visconti-Sforza Tarot deck appeared in Milan. The surviving fragments of decks invented by the Visconti and Sforza families served as the prototype for the modern 78-sheet deck. The decks that have come down to us from those times are luxurious cards self made made for the aristocracy. In 1465, the Tarocchi Mantegna deck appears, the structure of which is based on the cabalistic division of the Universe known as the 50 Gates of Binach. The deck consists of 50 cards, 5 series or suits (Vault of Heaven, Fundamentals and Virtues, Sciences, Muses, Social status) 10 cards each. Some images on modern maps Tarot (major and minor arcana) were borrowed from the Tarocchi deck (Encyclopedia of Modern Magic Vol. 2 /1996/). To date, there is no reliable information that the cards appeared earlier. Sometimes they try to start the history of Tarot from 1392, since there is a record dated by him, according to which a deck of cards was ordered from Jacquemin Gringonier for the French king Charles VI, and some of these cards are still kept in Paris. However, the Tarot deck of Charles VI, stored in the National Library, is a handmade deck from the late 15th century. Northern Italian type. Therefore, it is possible that the deck ordered for the king was an ordinary deck for card games. Here it should immediately be noted that the belief that the 52-card playing deck originated from Tarot cards is a myth. Indeed, the earliest documented mention of playing cards is the decree banning card games in Bern, dated 1367. But as already noted, the birth of the Tarot is usually dated to the 15th century, that is, a later date. For Europe at that time, it was no secret that ordinary playing cards came from the Islamic world, as evidenced by the entry of the Italian painter Nicolo Caveluzzo, made in 1379 in his chronicles hometown: “a card game was introduced into Witterbo, originating from the country of the Saracens and called by them “naib.” These early cards had four suits: cups, swords, coins and polo sticks (which Europeans perceived as sticks) and pieces consisting of a king and two male officials. Only later will Tarot add to this set a female figure and 22 original trump cards. As for playing cards with the usual suits (clubs, spades, hearts, diamonds), the French introduced them into use shortly before 1480. Those who claim that playing cards originated from the Tarot are convinced that the joker is proof of this. In their opinion, this is the only surviving Tarot trump card (“Jester”), and the remaining trump cards have been abolished. But, apparently, this is also a misconception. The Joker originated in the USA around 1857 and was used as a so-called. "wild" card in poker, or as a trump card in the game euchre.
Name As for the origin of the name Tarot itself, it is known that the cards were originally called “cards of triumphs (trump cards)” (Italian: carte da trionfi), but around 1530 Italian word"tarocchi" (singular "tarocco") begins to be used to distinguish the game with Tarot from the game with ordinary trumps (triumphs - trumps). Let us immediately note that, like ordinary playing cards, Tarot was used specifically for gambling purposes, namely, it was used in a game reminiscent of bridge. This game was very popular in Europe and continues to be played today, especially in France. There are various legends, ranging from the ancient Egyptian (“The Way of Kings”, from tar - “path” and rosh - “king”) or the Hebrew (“Divine Law” - Torah) and ending with the simplest: the Taro River flows near the city of Parma in Italy , and cards were invented somewhere around here. Since the last letter “t” in the word “Tapo” (Tarot) is not pronounced, we can assume that the word is French. However, there are tarot readers who emphasize this letter. They explain this by saying that the first and last “t” are the same letter, they “overlap” each other, as if this word were written on a wheel, so the name of the cards comes from the Latin rota - “wheel”. It remains to remember the Latin word orat - “speaks” and the name of the Egyptian goddess of priestly initiations Ator (Hathor), and then you get a whole phrase that the American occultist Paul Foster Casey built from permutations of the four pronounced letters of this word: ROTA TARO ORAT TORA ATOR - “Wheel The Tarot proclaims the Law of Initiation." According to another version, Tarot comes from the English Bar (court or barrier, protection) and Tra - the root basis of the word “Path” in all Romano-Germanic and Slavic languages. From which we can assume that the Tarot is the “Judgment Path” or the “Divided Path” or the “Protected Path”. If you follow the interpretation of medieval secret teachings, then the “Magician” depicted on the cards or his path interpreted as the path of the Tsar, then the Tsar - aka the “Magician” - aka the Ruler - aka the Masonic leader, and his path is the future that everyone awaits under his leadership. This or that card reveals a moment that has arrived, is about to occur, or requires an occurrence. Egyptian There is a legend that in Ancient Egypt there was a temple in which there were 22 rooms, and on the walls of the rooms symbolic paintings were depicted, from which the Great Arcana of the Tarot subsequently came. This legend confirms the version that Tarot cards originated from the vignettes of the ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead, the drawings of which were actually applied to the walls of sacred buildings - tombs.
Kabbalistic Others believe that the Tarot originated from the Kabbalah (twenty-two letters and ten Sephiroth of the Kabbalah are the basis of the Tarot system) and consider the starting point in the history of the Tarot to be 300 AD - the approximate date of the creation of the Sefer Yetzirah, the fundamental work on Kabbalah. Gypsy Long ago, many years ago, people of high consciousness discovered that the world had begun to be overrun with people who were unable to perceive wholeness. There is a danger that omnipotent forces, intended to be used for the common good, could destroy the planet if knowledge of the laws of nature becomes available to those who do not love it. Therefore, the higher ones, guided by their wisdom, encrypted all these laws and great techniques into images hidden in 78 cards. They gave the cards to wanderers, none of whom even suspected the great ancient knowledge hidden in them. We call these wanderers gypsies, and the deck is Tarot, which means: * TORA - law * ATOR - nature * ROTA - circle * ORAT - speeches
Fortune telling cards It is impossible to say absolutely exactly from what moment Tarot cards began to be used not only in games, but also in fortune telling. However, the first documentary hints about the possibility of correlating maps and human destinies date back to XVI century. Some poets of the time, when describing celebrities in poems of praise, compared people to Tarot cards. Such verses were called "tarocchi appropriati", and in one case (1527) they refer to the fate of a person. It is interesting that in 1540 the book “Fortune telling” (Italian: “Le Sorti”) was published in Italy, in which the author, a certain Francesco Marcolino da Forli, indicates a simple method of predicting the suit of coins using cards playing deck. This is the earliest treatise on divination known to us. Although the Tarot deck contains similar cards, it is still impossible to say unequivocally that the Tarot was a developed fortune-telling tool at that time. As you can see, although there are hints of this, they remain vague. It is possible to talk about Tarot as a fully formed system of predictions only starting from late XVI century, since there are records in Bologna dating back to 1700 that explicitly describe the divinatory meanings of the Tarot cards. Tarot in the esoteric tradition
Tarot in the esoteric tradition In accordance with esoteric ideas, tarot cards contain Hermetic, Gnostic or Kabbalistic symbolism, since early Italian Renaissance, which gave birth to the Tarot, was a time of great intellectual activity. Therefore, Hermeticism, astrology, Neoplatonism, Pythagorean philosophy and the unorthodox Christian thought that flourished at that time could leave their mark on the symbolism of the Tarot. Such symbolic “traces” in the Tarot led later researchers to the idea that the Tarot comes from ancient cultures (Egyptian or Babylonian), that this system represents a secret body of wisdom of the past. The first researchers known to us in this area were Cour de Geblein. In 1781 his book “ Primeval world", the final chapter of which claims that the Tarot has its origins in Egyptian tradition. He suggested that the name "tarot" comes from ancient Egyptian as "The Way of the King." It is possible that the maps studied were created by the author himself. Even more suspicious is the involvement in the creation of one of the decks, or more precisely the next deck, by the Comte de Saint-Germain, or Edgard de Valcourt-Vermont, aka... etc. Whoever he was, appearing in different guises over the years, the main thing is that he was also in the same Masonic lodge with Cour de Gebelin. According to one version, Saint Germain intentionally changed the original version of the trump cards of Antoine Cour de Gébelin in order to hide deeper some of their sacred meaning, “easily” compared with the “Revelation” of John the Evangelist. Later, Freemason Paul Christian, aka Jean-Baptiste Petois, showed in his drawings one of Saint Germain’s concealments - a map. This card deciphers and indicates a time of change in the coming century. And from that time on, the deck was looked at as a mysterious occult system, and the studied Tarot of Marseilles became a model for creating decks, on the basis of which occult research was conducted. Let us also note that in the early versions of the Tarot there were not only astrological symbols, Hebrew letters, but even numbers. Such was, for example, the Visconti-Sforza deck, dating back to 1428, made by the artist Bonifacio Bembo for the wedding of Bianca Maria Visconti with Francesco Sforza. It was not until 1470 that the Monegna deck of cards appeared, depicting classical gods and astrological symbols.
Psychology and Archetypes The phenomenon of the universality of card symbolism was well reflected by Carl Gustav Jung, who noted that the symbolism of the Tarot coincides with the system of archetypes he developed, and therefore the Tarot characters represent images that, like mythological images, are universally significant for the human psyche. Therefore, some psychologists use images borrowed from the Tarot to identify the client's state with a certain principle. This makes it possible not only to describe a person’s condition, but knowing the characteristics of a given archetype, to predict strengths and weak sides client, which can then be analyzed. In fact, this is reminiscent of what the poets of the 16th century did. It follows that the symbolism of the Tarot, due to its archetypal nature, is multi-level and has many options for understanding: philosophers see one meaning in it, and fortune tellers see another. Hayo Banzhaf became a notable researcher of the Tarot through psychology. In the book “Tarot as the Hero’s Path,” Banzhaf proposed a synthesis of J. Campbell’s theory of the Hero’s Path with an understanding of the sequence of the Major Arcana. There are concepts of correspondence between the Court Tarot cards and the Jungian typology and the Myer-Briggs typology. Of the Russian authors that deserve attention psychological research Antonina Velichko, who develops the concept of Banzhaf, Galina Bednenko, who explores the principles of the Major Arcana in line with Jungian, analytical psychology, and Oleg Telemsky, whose book “Leap into the Abyss of Heights” is an attempt to comprehend Tarot cards through literary and poetic analogies. Deck Design Depending on the style used, various famous decks received names: * Egyptian Tarot - Egyptian motifs * Tarot of Marseilles - in the style of France of the 17th century * Tarot Visconti-Sforza - in the style of the Italian Renaissance * Tarot Rider - Waite - drawn at the beginning of the twentieth century, the most popular iconography, leaving many clones and descendants
Ekaterina Kovina Forgive me for being a fool, maybe I’m explaining something poorly I think I heard these words about monks from Kuraev, maybe I’m wrong I don't know a more effective, interesting and simple way development of logic, thinking and intuition, as well as the ability to analyze the progress of work, than card solitaire games, yes, among them there are simple ones, but there are also complex ones in which you need to apply logical thinking very well I don’t want to convince you, I haven’t played for a long time myself, mostly solitaire, and even then rarely I hope that this topic of our conversation will be resolved peacefully And we will all peacefully go to take the logs out of our eyes, and not pull the chips out of the eyes of our neighbors. There is probably a priest in this group, so let him judge us
And forgive me, Nikita. Especially if I deprived you of your peace of mind. It seems to me that the good thing about online discussion is that you can discuss a problem, not a person, i.e. not to “pull a chip out of the eyes of others,” but to reason and discuss the situations themselves, actions as such. This way, in my opinion, it’s much easier to figure it out and understand something for yourself - after all, it’s often clearer from the outside. The priest, of course, can judge, but then there is no point in talking on the Internet at all - you need to look for a priest in the temple and talk in person, eye to eye. We here, as it seemed to me, are not analyzing someone’s personal spiritual life, but are trying to understand certain general rules and principles of life of an Orthodox Christian. And in this case, it is not the priesthood that is more significant, but the arguments, examples and reasons. Regarding logic, intuition and thinking - to be honest, this is the first time I have come across such an opinion about a card game. You're more likely to hear this about chess and go. But in any case, for me these are still incomparable things: the development of logic and thinking at the cost of complicity in blasphemy??? And don’t you think that by developing thinking and logic in this way there is a great danger of killing mystical sensitivity, subtle reverence, and attentiveness to little things in spiritual life? Is one worth the other? And finally, regardless of the attitude towards the activities of Fr. Andrei Kuraev, I think it’s still not worth giving examples and arguments based on the principle “it seems like someone once said that they seemed to have seen it.” I know monks and nuns, some quite closely, I have been and lived in monasteries, and I have never seen cards from monks anywhere. Such an accusation, in my opinion, is a provocation from the series “monks are drunkards and slackers, and the church sells cigarettes and vodka.” That’s why I reacted so emotionally to your example, especially given by the CBSA.
Alexander, I don’t understand why Orthodox Christian read the history of occultism? It's boring to say the least...
I did not condemn the monks, I specifically cited this as an example, not as a condemnation like “LOOK HOW BAD THEY ARE”, just the opposite, as an excuse I don't think we can convince each other since we cannot convey intonation" I say calmly "the monks were playing" and someone might read this and think that I’m saying this with foam at the mouth, tearing out the hair from the top of my head And I didn't want to offend anyone I didn't mean to be disingenuous, don't think so I honestly don’t remember all the lectures I watched and listened to by Andrei Kuraev I know for sure that these signs (diamonds, clubs, etc.) are in the paintings of the St. Sophia Temple in Constantinople (a specialist wrote this)
Why so much text when you can just make a link and give a few quotes you like. In addition, this is not information for thought, but as correctly said above... I would even say that this is garbage.
Taaah!! Bukkawak minogo!!! But the topic is unsolved....
Ilya, is that you for me?
#46 Justify why the history of the occult is boring, and why it cannot be of interest to a Christian as information about what can harm his neighbors. this knowledge is often beneficial. Why then do the courses at theological seminaries include the subject of Sectology?
No, Anna, not to you, but to Alexander Polansky.
Any passion is the beginning of a process when you stop controlling yourself. “Everything is under my control, but nothing should control me.”
Obana, how cool everything is with us, supposedly Orthodox. Especially about cards. What are you talking about? And we don’t know the opinion of the priesthood at all?
Natalya, apparently we don’t know. If you know, we will be glad if you share with us Moreover, this can be a harmless, as it seems, “fool of a fool” or more serious games, the rules of which imply subtle calculation and hope for a serious win. But are card games so dangerous, why can’t you play cards, as many people think? Church - againstAccording to the church, card suits- This is an exact repetition of the attributes used during the execution of Christ. The “peaks” exactly repeat the shape of the weapon that was used to inflict wounds on the Savior’s body. The “worms” are shaped like a sponge soaked in vinegar, which Christ, suffering from thirst, was given instead of water by his tormentors. The “tambourines” repeat the shape of the square nails with which it was nailed to the cross. And “Kresti” itself doesn’t require any comment. That is, when playing cards, willingly or unwillingly, a person himself takes the symbolic instruments of Christ’s torture and passes them from hand to hand to his partners, plunging both himself and them into sin. This is exactly how the church explains why Orthodox Christians should not play cards. By the way, in fairness, it is worth noting that devout preachers of Islam also do not encourage such hobbies. Do not traumatize the child’s psyche!Children playing cards is not new today. A child's soul is pure and open to the world. A child is not always able to figure out on his own what is good and what is bad. Card games are one of those temptations that can slowly but surely undermine a child’s psyche. Surprisingly, many parents do not see anything wrong with their children playing “the fool”: what is it, a harmless game! Alas, everything is not as easy as I would like to imagine. At first it is the desire to win and taste sweets |
a feeling of victory - it would seem that what’s wrong with that?! Nothing, but not all means are good to achieve the goal. It is also worth considering that children, imitating adults, do not play “just like that”: their favorite toys, sweets, and small money are bet on the game con. And if she turns away, resentment and excitement awaken: the child experiences the loss extremely painfully and is ready to do everything to not only get back “what’s his,” but also to teach a lesson to a more successful opponent. It is in childhood that a painful addiction is formed, which in psychiatry is called “gaming addiction.” Parents should understand that card games are gambling; that's why children shouldn't play cards.| Read: |
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